Comments on: The Departing Sopranos http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/ culture blogging for the good of the planet Sun, 21 Mar 2010 11:03:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Mike http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-8814 Mike Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:53:38 +0000 http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-8814 Type your comment here. Type your comment here.

]]> By: estiv http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-1604 estiv Sun, 01 Apr 2007 06:14:47 +0000 http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-1604 Tom @ 5: I think you're right about how Chase will end the Sopranos. Seinfeld and Mash stand as object lessons in how not to end a beloved TV series--by making a big deal out of it. My favorite ending of a series was on Frasier. Neatly disguised from us until the last possible second is that Frasier is once again leaping into the unknown, taking a chance on love, with no guarantee or even a hint that this time it will work out. But he hasn't given up. He'll give it one more shot. If he had found true love, it would have been untrue to the spirit of the show and a little flat, but if he had given up completely the result would have been of a bitterness that only Britcoms seem able to pull off as funny. For my money, they got it just right. The character continues on as he was when the series started, but not in a way that seems static or cartoonish. Tom @ 5: I think you’re right about how Chase will end the Sopranos. Seinfeld and Mash stand as object lessons in how not to end a beloved TV series–by making a big deal out of it.
My favorite ending of a series was on Frasier. Neatly disguised from us until the last possible second is that Frasier is once again leaping into the unknown, taking a chance on love, with no guarantee or even a hint that this time it will work out. But he hasn’t given up. He’ll give it one more shot.
If he had found true love, it would have been untrue to the spirit of the show and a little flat, but if he had given up completely the result would have been of a bitterness that only Britcoms seem able to pull off as funny. For my money, they got it just right. The character continues on as he was when the series started, but not in a way that seems static or cartoonish.

]]> By: Tom Watson http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-1591 Tom Watson Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:21:12 +0000 http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-1591 I think Chase will end it as he began it - with the daily bits of life, with the small things, with life in northern Jersey flowing on before, minus a couple of guys. The brilliance of the Sopranos is in the everyday-life quality of it - MA, you're exactly right about the Italian-Irish stuff, the banality of that life. I grew up near it in Yonkers. We knew the mob places. No big deal. I don't suspect a blaze of glory Scorcese ending - Chase is the anti-Scorcese. He unglamorizes. I do indeed mourn Deadwood. A great bit of television. I think Chase will end it as he began it - with the daily bits of life, with the small things, with life in northern Jersey flowing on before, minus a couple of guys. The brilliance of the Sopranos is in the everyday-life quality of it - MA, you’re exactly right about the Italian-Irish stuff, the banality of that life. I grew up near it in Yonkers. We knew the mob places. No big deal.
I don’t suspect a blaze of glory Scorcese ending - Chase is the anti-Scorcese. He unglamorizes.
I do indeed mourn Deadwood. A great bit of television.

]]> By: M.A.Peel http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-1561 M.A.Peel Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:04:09 +0000 http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-1561 estiv, I hadn't heard about the ninth. It's certainly one of the most anticipated arcs in tv history. Neddie--the premature end of Deadwood is one of the greatest creative shames in tv history. Still fuzziness about what happened between David Milch and HBO how this happened. Here's a good article about John From Cincinnati, the project Milch abandoned Deadwood for. http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/11/21/more-on-milchs-john-from-cincinnati/ And a more recent article on the set of John. Turns out one of the Deadwood writers is Kem Nunn, author of 3 surf noir novels. Hmmm. http://surfingthemag.com/news/surfing-pulse/on-the-set-john-from-cincinnati/index.html Blue Girl--Drea de Matteo talking about Adriana was definitely a highlight of the evening. Someone asked when her character knew she was going to die, and she said when the car turned down the road. It was very chilling just hearing her talk about it. estiv, I hadn’t heard about the ninth. It’s certainly one of the most anticipated arcs in tv history.

Neddie–the premature end of Deadwood is one of the greatest creative shames in tv history. Still fuzziness about what happened between David Milch and HBO how this happened. Here’s a good article about John From Cincinnati, the project Milch abandoned Deadwood for.

http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/11/21/more-on-milchs-john-from-cincinnati/
And a more recent article on the set of John. Turns out one of the Deadwood writers is Kem Nunn, author of 3 surf noir novels. Hmmm.

http://surfingthemag.com/news/surfing-pulse/on-the-set-john-from-cincinnati/index.html

Blue Girl–Drea de Matteo talking about Adriana was definitely a highlight of the evening. Someone asked when her character knew she was going to die, and she said when the car turned down the road. It was very chilling just hearing her talk about it.

]]> By: blue girl http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-1549 blue girl Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:19:16 +0000 http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-1549 How great you were involved in that event, M.A. That would have been great to be able to stand back and observe and listen. Boy, I would've been exploding inside! I also came late to the show, but once I got into it, I loved it. I wish I had predictions, but I need a refresher course. How long's it been off the air now? 18 years or something? Seems like it. HBO gets on my nerves for that reason. I can say though that the worst (most heartbreaking) Soprano's scene/moment for me was when they killed off Adriana. The Skimmer and I were like, "No! No! Don't do it! Don't do it! Nooooooo!" But, they did it. Little Stevie just whacked her good. :) or :( How great you were involved in that event, M.A. That would have been great to be able to stand back and observe and listen. Boy, I would’ve been exploding inside!

I also came late to the show, but once I got into it, I loved it.

I wish I had predictions, but I need a refresher course. How long’s it been off the air now? 18 years or something? Seems like it. HBO gets on my nerves for that reason.

I can say though that the worst (most heartbreaking) Soprano’s scene/moment for me was when they killed off Adriana.

The Skimmer and I were like, “No! No! Don’t do it! Don’t do it! Nooooooo!”

But, they did it.

Little Stevie just whacked her good.

:)

or

:(

]]> By: Neddie Jingo http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-1542 Neddie Jingo Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:29:10 +0000 http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-1542 Type your comment here.<i>I came to The Sopranos late, so I don’t have creds as a serious fan. I entered the world in season 6, after that long hiatus following season 5, and read through the earlier history. I wasn’t dazzled the way I was swept off my feet by Deadwood,</i> Almost exactly the same as me. Our house didn't acquire HBO until three years ago, and I was content to let the Sopranos-as-cultural-phenomenon wend its merry way without me. I've just now been making my way through the first season of <i>Deadwood</i> on DVD for the second time, and I'm still discovering subtleties, mirrorings, nuances of plot, and those delicious felicities of language that so distinguish that show. The Sopranos is very, very good; Deadwood is (or, sniff, sniff, <i>was)</i> great. Type your comment here.I came to The Sopranos late, so I don’t have creds as a serious fan. I entered the world in season 6, after that long hiatus following season 5, and read through the earlier history. I wasn’t dazzled the way I was swept off my feet by Deadwood,

Almost exactly the same as me. Our house didn’t acquire HBO until three years ago, and I was content to let the Sopranos-as-cultural-phenomenon wend its merry way without me.

I’ve just now been making my way through the first season of Deadwood on DVD for the second time, and I’m still discovering subtleties, mirrorings, nuances of plot, and those delicious felicities of language that so distinguish that show. The Sopranos is very, very good; Deadwood is (or, sniff, sniff, was) great.

]]> By: estiv http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-1533 estiv Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:12:41 +0000 http://newcritics.com/blog1/2007/03/28/the-departing-sopranos/#comment-1533 There are nine more episodes, by the way. They added another to the originally announced eight. I watched seasons 1-5 on DVD since I didn't have HBO, and it's an interesting way to enter the world of the Sopranos. For one thing, the commentary tracks provide a certain level of demystification not available when watching a broadcast. When a director calls your attention to a particular type of camera shot, or explains the frustration of directing the actors in one crucial scene, it's a reminder of what the creators of the show never forget, but which the show is carefully crafted to disguise: it's all fake, the product of a lot of talent dedicated to creating an illusion. Somehow that demystification makes it easier to pick up on glitches, not continuity errors so much as character inconsistencies. Tony Soprano, like Homer Simpson, has both an IQ and a level of sensitivity that seem to fluctuate according to the needs of each episode's plot. Still, I join in the general chorus of praise. At its best it's totally absorbing, and I find myself imagining what's happening to characters when they're offscreen. A few years ago August Kleinzahler wrote an article for Threepenny Review about the accuracy of The Sopranos in portraying the character, and characters, of northern New Jersey. It was very funny, and boiled down to saying that there was almost no exaggeration in the show. There are nine more episodes, by the way. They added another to the originally announced eight.
I watched seasons 1-5 on DVD since I didn’t have HBO, and it’s an interesting way to enter the world of the Sopranos. For one thing, the commentary tracks provide a certain level of demystification not available when watching a broadcast. When a director calls your attention to a particular type of camera shot, or explains the frustration of directing the actors in one crucial scene, it’s a reminder of what the creators of the show never forget, but which the show is carefully crafted to disguise: it’s all fake, the product of a lot of talent dedicated to creating an illusion. Somehow that demystification makes it easier to pick up on glitches, not continuity errors so much as character inconsistencies. Tony Soprano, like Homer Simpson, has both an IQ and a level of sensitivity that seem to fluctuate according to the needs of each episode’s plot.
Still, I join in the general chorus of praise. At its best it’s totally absorbing, and I find myself imagining what’s happening to characters when they’re offscreen. A few years ago August Kleinzahler wrote an article for Threepenny Review about the accuracy of The Sopranos in portraying the character, and characters, of northern New Jersey. It was very funny, and boiled down to saying that there was almost no exaggeration in the show.

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